Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby David Elliott » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:07 pm

I think all of this 'guessing' about the reasoning for Gretsch not making the re-issued Country Gentleman guitar LOOK like the originals, is hypothetical.

Fact: The whole idea behind the 'resurrection' (if you will) of the G6122 single cutaway 1959 Country Gent, was because so many people had expressed an interest in Chet's, (and the modifications he made to his), and when Paul Yandell communicated with Gretsch about the idea, they were "open" to it!

There had previously been several re-issues of this model of guitar that did not go over too well, primarily because they made them with the narrow neck (1-11/16"), and most Chet Atkins enthusiasts were aware that Chet's personal guitar had been modified to a wider neck, and the same thing applied to the pick-ups, but Gretsch continued to make these re-issues without much change in the real measurements and electronics of their other Chet Atkins models. In reality, their re-issue of the 1958 Country Gent LOOKED more like his '59 (in color), than the 1959 re-issue does! Go figure! :)

I would suspect, that they are using a lower grade wood, (without much grain), than the original Country Gents were constructed of, and I am sure that the more modern, polyurethane coating makes a difference also.
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As I said earlier, I do not own a re-issue Gretsch 1959 CG, and for exactly these reasons. It doesn't LOOK like a '59 Country Gent! Could it be, that this simply is a result of an oversight by Gretsch, or a poor managerial decision? Could be. Does it make it "play" any differently? Nope. But the end result is, they lost a sale where I'm concerned.

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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Norm » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:48 pm

I don't own one because I couldn't justify the cost but I will say the souped TV Jones bridge pickup does wonders to the tone of my old 61 gent. I already had installed a super tron pickup in the seventies and when you use them in combination they sound wonderful. The wider neck interests me but, like I said, I couldn't justify the cost.
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Mike Nye » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:10 pm

Think about it this way . . .

1. There are some pretty nice guitars out there with amazing woodgrain character and finish for under $800.00, so I can understand why they had to 'HOTROD' the finish quality to make it easier for potential buyers to part with almost $3K for a guitar in today's economy.

2. Fred Gretsch's stand on using El Crappo electronic components in the past worked out to be a poor decision, as the pick-up selector switches were noisy and they rattled when in the center position to where when notes were sustained into a feedback it was actually audible through the amp, sounding like a muffler with a loose baffle.

3. In today's market expensive things have to LOOK GOOD to command the money they're asking. I guess they could factory age the instrument by putting 'em in the trunk of employee's cars for a week to get CHARACTERED by the jack, lug wrench and loose tools bouncing around, left there after the last in-driveway oil change for an extra $500.00, but I don't think that Chet wannabees will go for it.

4. Finally, you have to ask yourself: Doya want a guitar that constantly gets complements on it's esthetic's, or one with grain character looks like wood paneling from a pick-up truck camper like the original gents?

5. I don't know about you guys, but I PRIMARILY choose guitars by their SOUND ! ! !
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby BillB » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:21 pm

I have a Nashville Classic that was built in the last year before the Atkins family moved Chet's name back to Gretsch and it was renamed Country Gentleman. I have 8 guitars, and it is easily the prettiest, best playing, and best sounding guitar that I own. I wish my Maton acoustic had the same neck profile. For me, the G6122-59 is about as perfect a neck that there is. My guitar has a rare sunburst finish on it, and Joe Carducci from Gretsch told me that there were probably only a dozen or maybe 2 dozen made with that finish.

Anyway, it has a great wood grain, as do all the others that I've seen. They also made a few that same year in Gretsch orange and natural finishes. Everyone that I've seen have a nice grain, and I think that Guy Van Duser and Bobby Gibson each bought one of the natural finish models. When I look at pictures of Chet's guitar (plus I saw it at the CMHOF), it seems to have a much different grain that would be hard to match. So besides the different color shade, the grain is also different. But it is a very pretty grain, and I suspect that it is better than the average CG in '59 came with.

While I think it would be kind of cool to have one that looked exactly like Chet's, but I just don't think it's that important to most folks. It's a wonderful guitar, and I'm very happy with my sunburst finish. It's easier to pick mine out of the crowd at CAAS. HaHa!

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Norm » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:33 pm

[quote="Mike Nye"]Think about it this way . . .

4. Finally, you have to ask yourself: Doya want a guitar that constantly gets complements on it's esthetic's, or one with grain character looks like wood paneling from a pick-up truck camper like the original gents?

:D Had to laugh at that because the grain on my old 61 single cut looks just like that. Having said that, Chet's looked good in person and the prettiest country gentleman I ever saw was Odell Martin's. His was the first one I ever saw up close. It was in 1959 at GOO. Very curly grain on it.

Still, even with the "pickup truck wood" grain (and faded at that) people still remark how pretty tmy guitar is.

Single cut country gents are the most elelgant looking guitar ever made, I think...
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Mike Nye » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:29 pm

I think that Gretsch should offer CGs in a few different color options to meet personal tastes . . .

Actually, I'm gonna burn the wood grain of my double cut CG with a lamb's wool buffing pad to make the woodgrain look 3-dimensional prior to applying stain and finish after I plug the mute holes . . .
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Norm » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:21 pm

This is my old Gent. (1961) That black dot in the lower bout is where the previous owner had a mini-switch (out of phase). I had a repair guy just use black fill rather than try to match the wood. By choice the two switches on the upper bout are disconnected. My selector is on the cutaway...easier, more positive access. I never liked the mudswitch so the disconnected switches are just hole plugs. I run the pickups full out and adjust tone at the amp. Tru-Arc bridge.
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Richard Hudson » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:03 pm

That's a nice guitar, Norm.
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby Norm » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:34 pm

Yeah, it is, thanks. The bridge pickup is only a year or so old and for a while looked really strange being so much brighter than the mellowly aged plating on the fingerboard pickup. I finally took one of those green nylon scrubbers and knocked the shine down.. Now they look pretty much about the same age

Guitar sounds great but I wish it had the wider neck...
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Re: Country Gentleman Question - Possibly heretical

Postby guitarchuck » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:42 pm

Nice guitar Norm! It does remind me of Chet's. Here's Chet's 59 for everyone to see again:

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