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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby Randy Finney » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:37 pm

David Elliott wrote:In reading over some of these posts again, I think the terms "Vibrato" and "Tremolo" are sometimes used interchangeably, while in fact, they are really two different things.


Yes these terms do get jumbled up a lot, don't they? As you say, David, often by advertisers but, also by famous people who just use the terms "incorrectly" (when speaking only).

I do think much of the problem is that the terms evolved to define vocal techniques, and then these techniques were mimicked by various instruments, each which required / allowed for, a unique approach - i.e many instruments can do several techniques simultaneously. On top of this, different instruments will use an effect for different reasons. For example, singers usually use tremolo for emotional effect whereas many instrumentalists use it in lieu of sustain.

And, just to make sure it gets even more messy, many of these kinds of words are/were taken from everyday language, where they have/had slightly different meanings (that are also evolving), and have been adapted for musical use over the centuries. Eek.

Anyway, as I understand it, and for what it is worth...

Tremolo is/was generally meant to describe the rapid reiteration of the same note. Trill did/does involve a change of pitch. Although these two terms have really become so interchangeable that you just gotta ask exactly what is meant when speaking with somebody about them.

Vibrato can/could either involve a change in pitch or not. Both singers and and most instruments can create a vibrato either way. Singers can minutely fluctuate the pitch, or just alter the pressure of their breath, or both. String players can pulsate their finger horizontally (no pitch change), or vertically, or both.

The difference between the terms really seems to be a question of degree and purpose. The term tremolo is generally thought to explain a more defined effect - you could likely more or less notate most tremolos and trills. The term vibrato tends to define a more subtle, more spontaneous, more emotional idea.

As you know, Chet had an astounding ability to be both subtle and complex when it came to these techniques. He could vibrato his tremolo, or trill his vibrato, or you name it.

Actually, let's not name it...

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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby thenorm » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:14 pm

The guy on the 'whammy bar tutorial' is a piece of work. He actually uses a very nice left hand vibrato which make me think he misunderstands the original intent of the vibrato lever on a guitar to begin with.

Tremolo is. in music, a description of a string attack like on mandolins or the the Recuedors De La Alhabra piece or effects like that. In guitar there is two finger, three finger or in the case of some flamenco guys, four finger tremelo. Vibrato on a stringed instrument was always via the left hand until the vibrato gadgets were invented by guys like Kaufman, Bigsby and Fender (for starters)

In amplifiers you have frequency modulation or amplitude modulation and the name for the circiuts vary from company to company. Since the amplifiers tend to affect an extended note I would be inclined to call them vibrato circiuts'. I haven't used the vibrato on an amp in over fifty years so I seldom think about amp vibrato except in actual recorded usage ala Duane Edddy et al

That's how it looks to me.
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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby David Elliott » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:13 pm

Yeah, I think most of us here on the 'Board know what a "whammy Bar" is, my comments were more directed at how the term was originated.

After further research on the subject, I came across this page (again on Wikipedia's site), which goes into much more detail regarding the terms "vibrato" and "tremolo".

While I realize that Wikipedia is only as accurate as the information uploaded to it, I've found it is an excellent source of rapid information on nearly any subject one can think of, and generally has many cross-reference capibilities at the bottom of most articles which are linked or 'clickable'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whammy_bar#Origin_of_name

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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby thenorm » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:18 pm

I read somewhere once that someone said you don't learn tremelo to play Recuedos de Alhambra but that Recuedos de Alhabra teaches t4remelo.

Apparently it might have been written as an etude... a learning piece.

If so he did a great job.
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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby Randy Finney » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:45 am

Here are two internet sources that I like. Probably won't improve your playing but, your cocktail conversation chops may get a boost.

The Internet Archive is a pretty cool internet library. Few examples:

This link is to a music dictionary...

http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionar ... 7/mode/2up


Here is a link to Pete Huttlinger's "Get A Klugh"...

http://www.archive.org/stream/GetAKlugh ... 0/mode/2up


Here is a link to Chet on Community Audio...

http://www.archive.org/details/ChetAtkins-01-300


In fact, there is an endless amount of cool stuff at the Internet Archive. Like this Sight Singing gem from 1922...

http://www.archive.org/stream/advancede ... 3/mode/2up



Also, Virginia Tech has a pretty cool music dictionary that pronounces the words for you...

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/

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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby RonBloor » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:05 am

Hey Randy... I always wondered how to pronounce "Auflösungszeichen" :lol: ... Seriously... Those are some very interesting links... Thanks.
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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby Oddsteven » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:36 pm

I always thought perfect pitch was when you could throw a banjo into a toilet without hitting the rim.
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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby David Elliott » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:23 pm

Steve Cowles wrote:
I always thought perfect pitch was when you could throw a banjo into a toilet without hitting the rim.

:lol:
Yes, and that also works with dulcimers, bagpipes, and autoharps. But this method (see link) is quicker!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/ ... Mute01.jpg[

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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby thenorm » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:17 pm

Well then there was the time someone asked Chet what he thought of Pete Townshend smashing his guitars onstange and he said "Some guitars need smashing!"
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Re: Perfect Pitch

Postby kimleonard » Fri May 11, 2012 2:02 am

Perfect pitch (also referred to as absolute pitch) is an ability to instantaneously identify or sing any given musical note without a reference pitch. There are two types of perfect pitch: active and passive. A person with active perfect pitch is able to sing or hum any given pitch; that is, if they are asked to sing a B flat without hearing the said note or any reference note, they can, whereas a person with passive perfect pitch cannot.
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